Cleanliness/Sin-Consequence Discussion with Enoch2 on YouTube
Gals: Learn about Waiting on a Man
Purity and Knowing Only One Man
Choosing Chastity or Abstinence
Community Intentional Formation Model
Community Homogeneity Philosophy
Patrilineal Homogeneity Policy
Marriage: Appreciate Your Race
Women's Lib (Profound Studies)
Hesedken:
Finalcall07 doesn't
understand the Bible. He blatantly even tried to convince someone
to promote fornication and cover it up to extend an unclean
relationship!
https://www.hesedken.com/fraud_and_conspiracy/finalcall07.html
Enoch2:
I cannot agree with what you have written on that website. I believe that in an instance of adultery, a man or woman must first confess to God and be cleansed--that's what the Bible says. That is the cleansing, after that the man or woman is no longer unclean or defiled. That is what 1 John 1:9 says. Then should they confess to their spouse? I find it hard to believe that the Holy Spirit would not lead them to do that at the right time and also work in their spouse to prepare them to receive such news and to forgive by God's grace (you can't truly forgive until you receive grace from God to forgive--true forgiveness is not in the capacity of the carnal man) so that the marriage will NOT have to end. God hates divorce (Mal 2:16). Your writing seems to indicate that you think a woman should confess to her husband and whole family in order to prepare them for the coming divorce--which you say MUST HAPPEN in order for there to be no defilement (contrary to 1 John 1:9 which says cleansing is by Jesus' blood and freely given upon confession)! I think you have missed the grace of God, the love of God, the forgiveness of ALL sins by the sacrifice of Jesus Christ, the REDEMPTION that is in Jesus Christ (Rom 3:24!!!!!, 1 Cor 1:30). I don't support either finalcall07's humanistic/satanic works-righteousness scheme, nor do I support the too-hard, unbelieving writings on your page.
Hesedken:
@Enoch2, You
have a serious confusion between "cleansing" from sin
and the misperception of not bearing consequences for sin. For
instance, If a virgin female loses her virginity and becomes a
whore, she cannot marry a man under her unclean circumstances.
She may repent, confess her whoredom and be cleansed of her
sins; however, she does not have the privilege re-newed to marry
as a virgin would. Sins bring forth consequences other than
merely needing forgiveness and cleansing.
https://www.hesedken.com/adultery/jealousy.html
Reflections
from Malachi:
https://www.hesedken.com/new_testament_commentary/ephesians/5_22-23messenger_of_the_king.html
Enoch2:
+hesedken Where is the grace in that? Certainly a woman who sins and confesses and repents can be married as a Christian woman without any guilt or shame remaining, hanging over her head. You may not want to forgive and forget--perhaps there is a personal issue here--but God certainly does. I wonder what you would say about Rahab who was an harlot yet became an ancestor of the Redeemer. I will warn you in advance, I am going to remove your posts that contain links to your web-pages as I consider them harmful. Jesus' sweetness can purge us of bitterness, especially that which men tend to have against women--it makes men into fornicators (Col 3:19, Heb 12:15-16).
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Now let's scrutinize some of the issues and determine Enoch2's major errors. Notice how he distorts verse I John 1:9 as if sin does not have temporary and consequential effects, “I believe that in an instance of adultery, a man or woman must first confess to God and be cleansed--that's what the Bible says. That is the cleansing, after that the man or woman is no longer unclean or defiled. That is what 1 John 1:9 says.” Impliedly, he fails to recognize that confessing sins does not annul the responsibility to follow commandments and not to break holy and moral restrictions. Continuing to flounder and err, explaining himself after I reproved him of his misperception, he says, “Where is the grace in that? Certainly a woman who sins and confesses and repents can be married as a Christian woman without any guilt or shame remaining, hanging over her head.” He blatantly defies the reproof of the Lord Jesus Christ concerning remarriage. He needs big repentance right there—I won't go any further until he at least realizes that! However, here is a list of some things he should consider: Consequences of sin: King David's example of chastisement, loss and bearing God's judgment (Note: Polygamy was permitted in the Old Testament, not the New Testament.) Non-egalitarianism: The way treachery of a marital situation is resolved may not be implemented according to post-early church heresy nor gainsaying and man-made, egalitarian, philosophy of the modern, heretical congregations. It is not an equal matter for a female helpmate as it is with a man to be restored to a family relationship. The Biblical perspective upon divorce and re-uniting upon defiled circumstances is gender-biased. Acknowledgement of sin Repentance: True repentance (turning from the wrong and ending it) Confession: Needed for cleansing (1 John 1:9) Nakedness: Sin and Awareness of Shame (I John 1:9: Confession, cleanness and righteousness, but not original state sinlessness) Forgiveness: There is a difference between forgiveness and cleanliness. There is a difference between forgiving and accepting defilement; forgiving releases you from ruining your own soul, but just because you forgive doesn't mean you should be passive of sin; sanctity is still required even if it means separating from defiled partner. A person can get stung by a bee and get over it, but he shouldn't remain by the bees' nest! Don't let any resulting uncleanness remain. Separation: To prevent continuity of sin Grace, not lasciviousness Resistance to ending a defiled relationship and continued uncleanness causes true church leaders problems Rebellion of continuous sin—forsaking the annulment of remarriage or a defiled relationship Marriage: Principles are based on the Torah. Many mis-marriages could be prevented if only people would study God's written word. |
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